It’s Official: Mike Holmgren Will Run the Browns

Despite the details still being worked out, there is no question that Mike Holmgren will be the Browns’ new team president.

There has been plenty of talk surrounding this hire, and it can be discussed until we are all blue in the face, but having Mike Holmgren in the organization gives the team one thing: credibility. Many of you might be wondering what credibility is, especially since it has been absent from the Browns for so many years, but trust me, it’s a good thing.

Having said that, a way for Holmgren to perhaps taint some of that credibility would be to fire head coach Eric Mangini after this season. The team is still showing heart (and a few are playing at record-breaking levels) and many players have expressed their desire to keep Mangini around. They, like the fans, see an improvement and firing Mangini too soon would be a major step backward. Keeping Mangini around at least until next season assures the Browns of something else that has been missing for a while: constancy.

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  • pyelor

    Totally agree.

    One thing I’ve noticed that many may not is that the last “team cancer” was carved from the body of this team due to a “concussion”. Have you noticed that, since Jamaal Lewis has been out, the team has been playing at a much higher level? It’s almost as if Lewis had the team’s eyes covered and, now that he’s gone, they can see where they’re going finally. Suddenly, this team is playing with purpose and direction!

    Is this a function of Mangini or the body simply feeling better with the “cancer” removed? I don’t know but there’s really only one way to find out.

    Another huge advantage of having Holmgren onboard is mentoring. Mangini is still growing as a head coach. Holmgren can teach and mentor Mangini. Also, having coached Montana and Young in SF, he can provide a great deal of “guidance” for Quinn if he’s still around.

    Instead of worrying about Mangini and Quinn, Holmgren should first be concerned about the offensive and defensive lines in both the draft and free agent markets. Right right side of the offensive line needs to be rebuild from the ground up to compliment the left side.

    On the defensive side, a power rusher for the line is critical to eat up the offensive line and help out Rogers. Switch the D to a 4-3 scheme, get another pass-rushing lineman and build the line with Rogers, Rubin, Williams and the new addition. Stop the run. Stop the pass. And, for God’s sake, keep you offense on the field!

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  • Jeff

    I absolutely, wholeheartedly disagree that the team should keep Mangini for the sake of consistency. They kept Crennel three years longer than they should have, and that’s why they’re where they are now. There’s no reason to be consistently incompetent. Mangini’s defense is ranked 31st in yards allowed and 28th in points allowed. His offense is ranked 31st in yards gained and 30th in points scored — and I believe that figure includes special teams points; the team would be last in points scored if not for the league-leading four kick-/punt-return TDs.

    One win against an absurdly overrated Pittsburgh team with a porous offensive line and two record-setting performances against the Chiefs (30th ranked defense) from (1) a guy Mangini has tried to bury six feet deep on the inactive list and (2) the best returner in league history should not save his job.

    Pyelor is in the right ballpark when discussing Jamal Lewis, but here’s the larger point — the 2009 Browns are (and for a long time have been) a going-nowhere team, and Mangini should have started to give the bulk of the carries to Harrison or Jennings (or anyone else) starting with the first game after Lewis announced his retirement. The sole reason for the 2009 season is to see who can help the team win in 2010, and Mangini failed to do that with the running backs. You could make the argument that he has also failed to do that at other positions as well (e.g., by playing Stuckey over Robiskie, or by refusing to make a decision on his QB so whoever the starter was could get on the same page with his WRs).

    The only thing keeping Mangini does is put the Browns one more year behind on the next rebuilding project.

  • gobucks1

    I completely agree with Jeff’s statement:”The only thing keeping Mangini does is put the Browns one more year behind on the next rebuilding project.” I understand that Mangini hasn’t been given enough time to prove his system works, but he had 3yrs. to prove it in NY and he didn’t get it done. His coaching philosphy doesn’t match what Holmgren is going to want.

    I think that if you look at the whole season there is no reason to keep Mangini. To start the season there was the QB competiton that drug out entirely too long and didn’t allow for the offense to develope any chemistry. He was fining players 1000+ dollars for water bottles. The players looked like they weren’t even interested in the games and appeared to give up. Then we fire his “hand picked” GM that did nothing up to that point. He got rid of most the talent on the team and brought in a bunch of Jets. There has been investigation in to his actions by the player’s association. He has argued on the sidelines with coordinators(only defensive). He brought his best buddy to be a first time offensive coordinator for a team that had struggled to score points and move the ball the season before. The list goes on and on. Why do you think he wanted to be personally involved in the hiring of the new GM? Because he knew that he was doing a horrible job and would probably end up fired.

    Now I know there will be those of you out there that will say that the players haven’t given up and that they are playing hard, but ask yourselves this: Why are they now playing hard and wasn’t earlier in the season when there was something to play for? It is because they have all heard the talk. They knew that there was a new sheriff headed to town and they want to have jobs next season. It isn’t because they all of a sudden love Mangini. Heck there was reports on yahoo sports that Corey Williams was running through the halls of the facility yelling that Holmgren was coming to town!!! Sports talk Ohio reported last night that the players don’t care for Mangini.

    I do disagree with pyelo about where Holmgren needs to start. I definitely feel he needs to decide about the coaching situation and then bring in players that will address needs as the new coach and Holmgren see fit. It wouldn’t do no good to go get a bunch of players until we know how we are going to use them.

  • Jeff

    Amen, gobucks1. Amen.

  • p fern

    I keep hearing “give Mangini one more year”. One more year? It all seems silly to me. Obviously if Holmgren does that and the Browns go 4 wins or worse then Mangini will be gone. But what if they get 6 wins? Do we just keep giving him “one more year”?

  • Clayton

    A really good coach builds systems. He builds a program that is larger than himself. He sets the Team up for success; the rest is up to the players. When he is gone, provided that the recipe is not changed, the success will continue absent a major overhaul in player personnel. Dungy and the Colts are the most recent clear example of that.

    A new coach cannot be measured solely by his record in the first year. That is especially so when he inherits a broken program. Mangini was dealt a losing hand at the poker table. He will likely end up with 4 wins this season. If I had seen great skills as a coach, I would have no problem keeping Eric despite the record.

    But I have concerns beyond the record. The first is player relations. When he took over, our three stars were Rogers, Cribbs and Thomas. He alienated Rogers. That is a fact; it matters not whether it was completely Mangini’s fault. He did little to squelch the Cribbs contract fiasco. I realize that Eric is not the GM or the owner, but he seemed flat-footed throughout the whole ordeal. With Thomas, he screwed around with Steinbach and left Joe without a consistent training camp partner on the left side of the offensive line. In addition to our three stars, Mangini butchered the quarterback position. He waited too long to name the season starter. Then he pulled Quinn too early. Then he left DA in too long. The season was over before the boys rallied around the man in the pocket – the most important player on the field.

    My second concern is judgment off the field. Daboll has been a disaster – he was hand-picked by Mangini. Kokinis was a shrinking violet – he was hand-picked by Mangini. Eric became the Team’s own distraction over issues like the water bottles. These things trouble me.

    My third area of gripe is decisions during the football game. Not enough carries for the other running backs right from the start of the season. That is a head coaching issue – not that of the OC. Not enough playing time for Robiskie even though we have struggled to gain any passing yards. Now we go into next year with Robo as a rookie. A few total mental breakdowns by the head coach, such as the time-out call when Stafford was hurt before the last play of the game against the Lions (I guarantee we would have stopped Daunte and won the football game); accepting a penalty late in the fourth quarter against the Steelers that gave the World Champs another crack at a first down instead of forcing a fourth down situation.

    The final issue I have is a hard one to pinpoint. I call it “juice”. Mangini doesn’t have any. I want to see some more passion; some more bluntness; a little gusto. When the team gets embarassed, I want to hear an honest assessment at the post-game press conference. It is like watching french toast soak.

    So I wouldn’t lose any sleep if Mangini was fired at the end of this season, even if we win-out. Steve makes a legitimate point about the importance of consistency, but I can live with another year of the revolving doors if it means that we get who Holmgren wants.

    That, to me, is the determining factor in the decision. Do NOT fire Mangini if it means that we settle for our third or fourth choice at the head coach position; or if it means that we have an interim coach until our guy becomes available. If either of those scenarios arise, stay with Mangini in 2010. The thought of a guy like Dick Jauron coming to town is enough to make me ill. The pool right now is thin. I think Shanahan is overrated. My choices would be Gruden (anyone can get out of a contract with ESPN if the money and the will are there), Billick and Cowher (in that order).

    It always seems odd firing a coach that wins 3 or more of his last 4 games to end the season. But if that is what Holmgren decides, then I won’t be shedding any tears.

    Go Browns!

  • gobucks1

    I totally agree Clayton. I don’t think we have to worry too much about a guy like Jauron coming to town. He has had a shot and didn’t prove that he was up to it. Besides I don’t think Holmgren is going to come here and bring in a loser coach. It wouldn’t look good. We have a loser coach now. Why bring in another proven loser, even if it is your guy.

    I think(HOPE) that it will be Gruden! He is the only big name out there that would be willing to work under a “czar”. He is a Holmgren guy, dating all the way back to San Fransico days. If it isn’t Gruden then it will probably be an old coordinator that he worked with that he thinks could do the job.

    Either way I think Mangini is gone. Holmgren has seen how well it worked for Parcells down in Miami. He(Parcells) had to make a choice to fire 1st year coach Cameron. He did, then brought in one of his own and the results have been positive. I think it would be a lot smoother transition. Bring in one of your own and then you know everyone is on the same page from the get go. If you keep Mangini it will just slow the progress down, and we will be looking for a new coach next year.

  • d-money

    a slender energetic guy is what we need for a head coach. no fatass mf’s!

  • Bill

    Come on! Two wins over two mediocre teams means absolutely nothing. Let’s deal with reality. Quinn can’t hit anything beyond 10 yards. Mangini was a loser in NY and is a loser in Cleveland. How could anyone be surprised by the results? It’s time to cut back to a core group of guys and start building.

  • Dexter

    Holmgren has no expierence as a GM. He is not going to make the right decisions as one either.

  • Kenneth Kirchner

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