Sep 29, 2013; Cleveland, OH, USA; Cleveland Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer (6) throws a pass during the first quarter against the Cincinnati Bengals at FirstEnergy Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Ken Blaze-USA TODAY Sports

Hoyer is a Great Story, but Not the Browns Answer at QB


Brian Hoyer’s story is fantastic.  Much like head coach Rod Chudzinski, he grew up a Browns’ fan and loved Bernie Kosar growing up.  His rise from St. Ignatius to Michigan State to being an undrafted free agent as a member of the New England Patriots before a stopover on the street, the Arizona Cardinals and then the Browns is awesome.  Mike Lombardi looks somewhat vindicated in his nonstop love for Hoyer to this point.  The fact that quarterback has started out 2-0, which makes him the first since Mark Rypien in 1994 (yes, that actually happened), is unbelievable considering where this team appeared to be a week and a half ago.  Nothing would be better than Hoyer becoming the franchise quarterback for this team and being the guy who can deliver their first championship since 1964, but that is unlikely and he is better suited to a long term backup than he is a starter.  The Browns cannot make the mistake of falling in love with the romantic story and notion of high school hero making it big and make the mistake of not getting a franchise quarterback to elevate this team and potentially put them in the Super Bowl.

There are no doubt fans and some media types will naturally gravitate to the comparison and bring Kurt Warner into the conversation.  Like Hoyer, he bounced around the league a little bit, bagged groceries a little bit and some people will point out that Warner was available in the expansion draft when the Browns came back into the league.  Warner came in for the injured Trent Green and led the Rams to the Super Bowl and went onto have what should be a Hall of Fame caliber career.  The odds of that happening again are somewhere between getting struck by lightning twice and winning the lottery.  More likely outcome? Derek Anderson in 2007.  Chud had a front row seat for that as his play calling allowed him to go to the Pro Bowl along with Vince Young after seemingly half the league dropped out of the event.

More importantly, the evidence that Hoyer is not the guy is on the field.  There are a lot of areas he does well.  He gets rid of the ball quickly, can make some accurate throws and has a reasonably strong arm.  He runs the offense relatively well and does a good job of getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers, most notably Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron.  That said, the star of the show against the Minnesota Vikings was Gordon followed by Cameron.  Hoyer made some good throws and allowed those players to be great, but he also made some big mistakes and missed opportunities. It also took a fake punt run and a fake field goal touchdown pass from Spencer Lanning to help them get to those 31 points.

Against a Bengals team without three starters in the secondary, Hoyer took advantage of opportunities to get the ball to Cameron and was able to extend plays with his legs and make some big plays, but that was about the best Hoyer could play and the Browns scored 17 points.  Had they not missed two field goals, it is 23 points but nevertheless, hardly a juggernaut offense.  It is difficult to imagine that a Hoyer led offense is going to be much better than it was today; two of two in the red zone, no turnovers, and able to make a late game drive to seal the victory.

The Browns have a couple of legitimate weapons in Gordon and Cameron.  Cameron, they can build around and the Browns, for better or worse, appear to be stuck gambling on Gordon’s ability to stay on the field.  They have a good offensive line, even if the play of Oniel Cousins makes it look horrible right now and they might need to address a spot or two on it, but they can get by with the unit they have with a healthy Shawn Lauvao.

The Browns need another wide receiver to play across from Gordon and allow Davone Bess to do what he does so well unless Greg Little or Travis Benjamin is a revelation the rest of the year.  They need a running back and could possibly use two.  Dion Lewis can hopefully come back next season and get back to the form that looked so promising this year and there are some rumblings of potential out of Bobby Rainey, but they need someone to lead the group.  They could also use another tight end who can come in and block as well as make plays like Steve Heiden was for Kellen Winslow the last time Chud was here.  Cameron is great as a receiver, but he is not a blocker any more than Winslow was and while Barnidge can do a few things, he is better suited to be a third tight end than a number two.

The Browns still need to take a quarterback.  Hoyer has shown he can be a good backup and could even potentially be a starter if they want to ease a quarterback in next year who is not quite ready to step in and play, which is helpful.  Hoyer can come in and run the offense and potentially lead a team to a win, but he is not the answer.  The Browns still need someone who can be among the best in the league, elevate the talent around them and potentially win the team to a Super Bowl.  With a great cast around him, Hoyer looks like a Matt Schaub or Andy Dalton type.  Can get to the playoffs, but is not the guy to win a Super Bowl.

If not for a great defense, the Browns would likely be starting at a 1-3 record rather than 2-2 and the feeling around this team would be completely different after losing to the Bengals.  Hoyer would still be making a few plays and leading the offense down the field occasionally, but there would not be a question if he is the man to lead this franchise.  A great defense does not change what Hoyer is, but changes what the Browns can be.  Because of having a great defense, they have the potential to get a franchise quarterback who can really make the Browns into a contender quickly.  Rather than having the defense hold the team long enough for Hoyer an the offense to muster up enough points to win, the offense can score early and often and the defense can put a ton of pressure on the opposing team’s quarterback and break their will.

Hoyer’s story is great, he can be fun to watch, but the Browns offense is missing a few key pieces including a franchise signal caller to run it.  It is hard to imagine Hoyer will not continue being the starter and he will have more opportunities to show he is more than a backup, but the Browns defense and the few key players they have on offense can make a competent quarterback look pretty good. Being better than Brandon Weeden makes him good enough to be the guy now, but he needs to be better than Joe Flacco and Ben Roethlisberger and able to compete on the same field as quarterbacks like emerging quarterbacks like Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill; not just Christian Ponder and Andy Dalton.  Fortunately, Joe Banner does not appear to be equipped with a heart or any sense of emotion when it comes to the roster, so his logic based approach should still have the Browns targeting a quarterback next May as they should.  If the goal is to win the Super Bowl, they need a quarterback who can do the job and while Hoyer is a great story, he is likely not the long term answer, but he can be a big reason for why the quarterback this front office picks for the future is a success; think Kenny Guiton to Braxton Miller.

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  • Kyle Quinlan

    At this point I would agree with you but if he were to show improvement and continue his play and make this offense competitive I think the Browns would need to take a hard long look at Hoyer before they go and gamble on someone from the draft

  • Derrick Ebersole

    So hypothetical what if the browns finish above .500 or finish 8-8 and don’t have a chance to take one of the highly rated QB’s? I mean the guy has won 2 starlight when was the last time any qb has shown half the potential he has? You study under Brady you must know a little bit. I’d say built around him and see what you have with this defense and more playmakers you may have your answer at QB already on the roster.

    • Pete Smith

      Derek Anderson? The Browns went 10-6 and he was in the Pro Bowl. His first start, the Browns put up 53 or whatever it was against the Bengals. It was fool’s gold. And the Browns Defense is winning these games. Hoyer is making enough plays right now.

      Kevin O’Connell studied under Tom Brady. He was a third round pick and is out of the league. Jim Sorgi studied under Peyton Manning.

      Also, the Browns have stockpiled ammo to move up if they want, but I think they can land a talented QB regardless. Hoyer gives them some ability to ease a guy in though if they want, which is good and they should not simply throw him away. Franchise QB? Unlikely

      • Dennis Kilker

        What does Derek Anderson have to do with this conversation? Anderson had a gun. Period. Once people realized he couldn’t throw anything under 20 yds, all his deep options were taken away. He starts firing exclusively into double/triple coverage and… The rest is history.
        If Hoyer has a knock, it’s his LACK of a cannon. Seems to me he makes up for it with precision, timing, leadership, the intangible ability to rally his team and vision.. I doubt he does anything but get better. I’ll reserve judgment until we’ve seen as much of a body of work as we have with Weeden. Wouldn’t it be cool if we didn’t have to draft ANOTHER QB and could get another wideout or corner or OL?
        Just throwing THAT out there…

        • Pete Smith

          People thought Derek Anderson was the answer in 2007. People are already jumping to the conclusion that Hoyer is the guy just they did with DA, just like some did with Colt McCoy

          I wish we didn’t need to draft a QB. I would love to see them be able to get another tight end and wide receiver. As it is…

          1a. QB
          1b. WR/TE/FS (Ha’Sean Clinton-Dix)
          2. WR/TE
          3a. RB
          3b. CB/OL/TE

          Would love to see the Browns able to add a player like Brandon Coleman or Jordan Matthews across from Josh Gordon. And a TE like Austin Seferian-Jenkins/Arthur Lynch/C.J. Fiedorowicz across from Cameron who can be Heiden to his Winslow.
          Also need a feature runner to lead the group.

          I think the Browns will nickle and dime that second corner spot until they find a guy who can do it. I doubt they use a premium pick on that position. Not Horton’s history.

  • freeme10

    I think the Brownies jumped the gun on trading Richardson. I think Chud and Norv can make this Hoyer experiment work.

    • Pete Smith

      So far, Richardson has been a big ball of mediocre in Indy. We’ll see on Hoyer, but I think the Browns are still in the market for a QB and should be.

      • Dennis Kilker

        I’m not agreeing with anyone today, but I agree with you!
        I wouldn’t say no to ANYTHING that could make this team better. Be it draft, trade, free agency or the waiver wire…
        Most of the QB’s in this upcoming draft scare the hell out of me. Seems like it’s feast or famine with the quality of QB prospects this year.

        • Pete Smith

          Thank you. I am more optimistic about some of the seniors in this class than others I guess. I like a few for this team

          • William M Klepper

            Besides a too-young Joe football, I don’t see any franchise QB’s out there. I do see 2 WR and a TE and a good pulling Guard. Let’s let the season boil a little more before we pick anything for our Cleveland Stew..

    • Dennis Kilker

      I disagree. When would T-Rich’s value have been any higher? We got a first round pick. For a RUNNING BACK! Someone in Indy had a brain hemorrhage!

      • freeme10

        T-Rich would be more valuable today. Defenses can’t stack the box when Gordon is on the field with a QB that can get him the ball. T-Rich is a threat when defenses are spread out and I think the last two weeks in Cleveland would have demonstrated that. When I first heard the news about his trade, I was stunned, but most of my initial observations were wrong. He was a good trade candidate, but a late first round pick for a mostly paid for running back with flashes was too little. Why not a first and fourth round pick? Could have got more – in my opinion. Time will tell in Indy but he has not been used to his full potential by the Colts – but when he is, best watch out…

        • Pete Smith

          Nonsense. The Colts have the QB and weapons to give Trent Richardson plenty of room. He’s the third best back on their roster right now. 20 carries this past week against the Jaguars who are barely a pro team right now. 60 yards. Donald Brown had 3 carries for 65 yards. Richardson has not done squat yet, may never do squat.

          The last running back to go for a 1st round pick was Ricky Williams in 2002. Marshall Faulk, Jerome Bettis, and Marshawn Lynch went for peanuts compared to Richardson.

          It was theft to get a 1st round pick. Bad pick by the Browns, worse decision to make the trade by the Colts.

          • freeme10

            Richardson’s first two games for the Browns this season were sub-par. Wouldn’t a few games where he was able to run in space increase his value? Not nonsense, Pete. Common sense.

          • freeme10

            My point – management should have waited to trade T-Rich. Do you think we would have lost the past two games if he was still on the roster?

          • Pete Smith

            I doubt it, but I’d rather have the win and an extra 1st round pick than Richardson.

          • freeme10

            Fair enough, Pete. And I hope this works out.
            More importantly, are you happy about the decision to bring back Brownie the Elf?

          • Pete Smith

            I have no idea. We’ll see where they plan to go with it.

          • freeme10

            It might be just the spark we need.

          • Pete Smith

            Watching Richardson run for 3 yards per carry would not have helped his value. It would have hurt it. He is not good. Talented, but not good. Through 4 games, Richardson has been mediocre, period.

          • William M Klepper

            @Pete Smith – “Bad pick by the Browns, worse decision to make the trade by the Colts.” I don’t think you have you head on right. We have a pro Bowl LT and Pro Bowl alt in C. New rookie RT, 2 ‘has-been’ Guards. All were asked to run block like they did for that Madden Cover Boy. It didn’t happen and a dumb coach and front office chased him away. We’ve never been good to our running backs since coming back to the league in 99. Maybe it was wrong to draft a RB and not a QB. We had another Jim Brown in our eyes. I see a better front office and a Coach that really wants to bring back the team that was fun to watch. Being a “doom-sayer’ only incites the old timers like me, who remember the Sunday highs of those days To get there needs a solid O-line and D-line. Thanks to this draft and free agents, we’ve got the D. Yes it saved our butts, But don’t think it ends there. Two 4th Qtr drives Captained by Hoyer’s accuracy and 2 receiver’s precise route running gave us those O wins; nothing else. Points on the big board wins games. Preventing the other teams from putting points on the big board keeps a win alive. How many teams win with Zero points? None. Points don’t happen by mistakes you make. They happen by points you manufacture.

          • Pete Smith

            Trent Richardson is mediocre in Indianapolis too. He averaged 3 yards per carry against Jacksonville, who is far and away the worst team in the league. Let me know when Richardson does something and you can talk about him being Jim Brown in his 70s, let alone Jim Brown in his prime.

            The Browns have a talented offensive line. They need to be rid of Oniel Cousins who is a never-was, but they were one of the highest rated offensive lines last year.

            If you want to hang your hat on Brian Hoyer as the franchise QB, go nuts. I am not and neither are the Browns.

            I’m not a doomsayer. I talk up plenty of people on this team. I am just realistic. Richardson for a 1st round pick was theft by the Browns. Hoyer is not a franchise QB. He might be able to lead a good team to the playoffs but not the Super Bowl. Matt Schaub/Andy Dalton type. They need someone better than that to get the Lombardi Trophy

          • William M Klepper

            I’ll bite my tongue for now because neither one of us know what tomorrow brings. Do I think Hoyer will get us to the Super Bowl? No. But he will get us to the playoffs if he continues to play as he has been playing. My gut tells me he will improve with time and experience. I never thought Bernie would get us very far but I was wrong. Besides talent, there is a lot to be said about the desire to reach one rung higher on the ladder we climb from the depths of the AFC North.

      • Mike

        Is Hoyer messing up Lombardi’s best laid plans? I say yes. I don’t think
        he expected this. He was probably expecting a high 1st round to snag a
        QB, and that may be in jeopardy.

        I love love love Gordon. He has
        the potential to be one of the greats. I love the defense. I even like
        Hoyer, but I’m not convinced on the trade. Sorry.

        • Pete Smith

          No one loves Hoyer more than Lombardi. He’s why Hoyer is here.

  • Dan Zaccardelli

    If hoyer continues to play the way he has been or better we should look at a QB but not some trendy 1st or 2nd overall guy. Hoyer under center is producing W’s and if things stay that way imagine how they would look with two more 1st round receivers. Just because he wasn’t selected in the first round means nothing, if that were the case nobody would have heard of Tom Brady. BTW, the same guy drafter Brady and Hoyer in the late rounds. As of today the browns pass offense is ranked 15th in the league and 2 of those games were with Weeden.

    • Pete Smith

      If not for the stellar defense, the Browns lose yesterday. The Browns had two touchdown drives. They had 3 field goal attempts. They punted 6 times. Against a team missing three members of their starting secondary. 17 points (23 if Cundiff hits all his field goals) is not a stellar output.

      And Hoyer was not drafted. The guy who blindly lucked his way into Tom Brady also drafted Kevin O’Connell in round 3 and Ryan Mallett in round 3.

      If not for that defense, no one is thinking about Hoyer as THE guy; just a guy. They need a no doubt franchise QB.

      • Dan Zaccardelli

        Why are we taking about defense? This article is about a qb. Besides, they won by 11 and we’re running out the clock for the last 6 mins. It isn’t a foregone conclusion that they wouldn’t have still won without a mediocre D#.

        Btw, Hoyer had a better QBR than all of the rookie qb’s from last year and this year except for C. Keepernick. That list includes Luck, who played Jacksonville. Should Indy also be drafting a QB?

        • Pete Smith

          The defense gave up 6 points. That is not sustainable week to week.

          Are you suggesting that Hoyer is better than Andrew Luck because of a contrived stat ESPN came up with and is pushing?

  • William M Klepper

    Very well written but the premise is false. I’m reminded of a very young Brady when I see Hoyer, and look what Brady turned into.

    • Pete Smith

      Brian Hoyer is 27 years old.

      • William M Klepper

        Point taken, That means he still has 3 years left in his wallet. Time enough to find a real #1 QB to sit behind him and learn the values he got from Brady. There is no hurry. Any time in the next two drafts will work. And time enough to save up to $100 million for a 6 year contract. What? You thought it would be cheap?. Hoyer’s looking pretty good now, isn’t he?

        • Pete Smith

          Here’s what looks good. The Browns having a QB who can win the Super Bowl. Can Hoyer do that? I don’t think he can. And I don’t think the Browns think he can either which is why they have loaded up on so many draft picks.

          • Chris Volz

            Based on what? The fact that he threw 3 picks against Minnesota? How can anyone come to any such conclusion after a small sample size?

          • Pete Smith

            Me? Or the Browns?

            Hoyer is in year 5 of his NFL career. He was available on the street and signed by the Cardinals. They let him walk. The Browns picked him up for nothing because Lombardi had a fondness for him. So far, that was a good instinct.

            Nevertheless, the Browns have done everything to prepare to get a QB in the Draft. They have 10 picks this coming year including an extra 1st and 3rd.

            As for me, Hoyer gets rid of the ball quickly, can extend plays with his legs and make some things happen. Is he a playmaker or merely a facilitator? In my analysis, he is a facilitator and Josh Gordon/Jordan Cameron are the stars here. Hoyer has average arm, inconsistent accuracy, and in his quick decisions, will not see defenders and get picked off. All of that has held true through 3 games (don’t forget, he also played final preseason game with Josh Gordon and had INTs against 3rd stringers and guys who not in the league.)

            The Browns need someone to elevate the talent around them rather than just allow to make them work. Hoyer is not a great QB any more than A.J. McCarron is at Alabama. They allow the talent around them to make plays but they are not elevating it. The Browns need someone to elevate the talent around them to win the Super Bowl.

            In addition to 3 INTs against the Vikings, Hoyer led the Browns to 2 touchdown drives against the Bengals. Hardly dominant. He is getting too much credit for what the defense was able to do. QBs always get too much credit in wins, too much blame in losses.

            Hoyer will have more time opportunities to change my mind over the course of the season, but neither myself nor the Browns seem to believe he is the answer at the position and are preparing to take what they believe to be a franchise QB in May.

          • Chris Volz

            I was referring to you. Success is sometimes a result of circumstance. Outside of 1 start last year for a putrid Arizona team, Hoyer never had an opportunity. You say because of his skill level, I say it was more dictated by cirumstance.

            “The Browns need someone to elevate the talent around them to win the Super Bowl.” So are you suggesting that QB aside, the Browns have the talent on their roster to got to a Super Bowl? I think even the most optimistic of Browns fans would vehemently disagree.
            Hoyer led critical 4th quarter drives that turned into TDs (something few Browns QBs have been able to do in the past 15 years). He CLEARLY has elevated the play of the other members of the offensive unit (48 points in 2 games vs 16 in the games prior) Say all you want about Gordon, but Weeden’s primary issue was that he just could not get rid of the ball in time. Not sure how much more success he would have had with Gordon, and I think you can agree it is unlikely we will find out.
            I also find it very presumptious that you would think to have any idea what Browns MGMT thinks. Yes they stockpiled picks last year (and added a first rounder this year), but that was all prior to Hoyer taking a snap. I think the safer bet is the wait and see approach before we rush to judgement on what kind of QB Hoyer really is.

          • Pete Smith

            Weeden can’t play dead. Hoyer being better than Weeden is meaningless to me. I can’t fathom a scenario where Weeden is on the roster next year and a real good chance he is out of the league.

            The Browns need to address a number of issues on their roster. They need another WR, another TE, a RB or two, possibly a guard or two, another CB, a FS, and yes, a QB.

            33 yards of the final scoring drive were Willis McGahee running the ball.

            I’m sure Andy Dalton, Matt Schaub, Alex Smith, and a number of other middling QBs have had game winning or game clinching drives but none of them is a QB who can get their team to the Super Bowl. The Chiefs with Alex Smith are 4-0. Is he a great QB? No. Mark Sanchez? Rex Grossman?

            If you want to say I’m making the judgment too early, that is fine and perhaps Hoyer will prove it was too early. I hope he can take the Browns to the Super Bowl, but I have not seen anything that says he can yet. He is an average QB. Compared to Weeden, that is a huge breath of fresh air.

            Colt McCoy had a few nice 4th quarter drives under Mangini too. And there were people swearing up and down, some still will, that McCoy was the right guy. Hoyer has made some nice plays. He will make a few more before all is said and done. Is a franchise QB? I don’t think he is and I don’t think the Browns think he is either. Hopefully, we are wrong, but I doubt it.

          • Chris Volz

            Yes, McGahee running the ball, and Hoyer throwing the TD pass to Obie to clinch. My argument with Weeden is simply pre-emptive to the (surprisingly large) group of Weeden apologists out there still somehow trying to twist logic into Weeden being a better option. I agree it is menaningless
            I guess we can agree to disagree, but I guess my point is that while you say you haven’t seen anything yet that leads you to believe he can take the Browns to a QB, I think in the same breath you have to say (to be fair) that he hasn’t shown you anything to say that he can’t. I assume you disagree and point to the three INTs last week, but in the end when it mattered he engineered a game winning TD with less than a minute left, and further given the turnovers were the opening line in any criticism against him in his first tilt, he had 0 as an encore.
            I simply don’t think the Browns offense is built to be a high octane, high scoring juggernaut, no matter who the field general is.
            I would disagree about Schaub, Dalton or Smith. Smith was a muffed punt away from going to (and being the primary catalyst for) the Super Bowl 2 years ago, and let us not forget Trent Dilfer. Heck, I don’t even think Russell Wilson is a “great” QB assuming I understand your metrics, but he’s as good a bet as any to get there this year. Circumstance dictates a lot.
            The Browns defense is not YET on the level of being able to get a Trent Dilfer to the Super Bowl, but they are young and promising, and depending on the continual development of both that unit and Hoyer, I don’t think it is blasphemy to say who knows. Clearly not this year, but next year? Maybe.
            From Hoyer’s standpoint we’re 2 weeks in. Way too early to tell one way or the other.

          • Pete Smith

            If you want to bet on a Trent Dilfer scenario, good luck. Every other year since? A great QB won it. That’s what I’m looking for and that is what Joe Banner is looking for. There is a giant sign in the war room that says as much. They want a franchise QB and are not going to settle for less. They have made that painfully clear.

            There will be no maybe’s or if’s with Hoyer. He either is or he is not and in my opinion, is not.

            Yes, Alex Smith was so good, the 49ers got rid of him for a second round pick.

            Russell Wilson is a stud.

          • Chris Volz

            So…is Joe Falcco a great QB?

          • Pete Smith

            He was in the playoffs last year. With a little help from Rahim Moore. And he is better than Hoyer.

          • Chris Volz

            Based on your in-depth analysis of Hoyer, I wouldn’t exactly call that a glowing endorsement.
            By the way – Flacco’s first 2 games as a pro: 28-48, 258 yds 0 tds 2 INTs (against the hapless Browns and Bengals, mind you)

          • Pete Smith

            One of us is bringing up Trent Dilfer. One of us is talking about getting a franchise QB.

            I’ll leave it to you to decide which is the more prudent strategy for building a football team

          • Chris Volz

            Bringing up Trent Dilfer in response to your statment about needing a great QB to make it to the Super Bowl. Let’s not try and twist around each other’s statements, that’s rather juvenile.

          • Pete Smith

            If you do not have a franchise QB, you are doing everything in your power to get one. That is the position the Browns find themselves in presently. I can’t make it any simpler than that.

          • Chris Volz

            Thanks for dumbing it down for us.
            Everyone understands what your position is. No one is under any misconceptions about what the Browns were thinking 2 sweeks ago in regards to their QB situation and position of strength in next year’s draft.
            2 starts in, there is a likelihood that Hoyer has everyone’s (meaning management) attention and further analsysis and a larger sample size is needed to ultimately make a determination about his viability moving forward. That is what most of the respondents are trying to tell you, and for whatever reason you seem to adamantly disagree about.
            A blogger pretending to have any idea what Browns mgmt thinks about Hoyer after his 2nd start is asinine.

          • Pete Smith

            I am telling you what I think of Hoyer and overlaying that with what the team has done.

            You are telling me the team wants to see more to make a determination.

            Saying it is asinine for me to suggest I know what the team is thinking about Hoyer in the same breath as saying what the team is thinking about Hoyer. Welp

          • Chris Volz

            The only problem with your argument is that the team did what it did prior to having any idea that Hoyer was even potnetially a viable option. If they did all this after seeing Hoyer’s first 2 starts than I get it.
            I have no idea what Bronws MGMT is thinking, I am merely telling you that given what has transpired in the last 2 weeks, that it seems more logical that their current mindset might be closer to what I cited, than still being steadfast in their focus on a franchise QB in the draft next year.

          • Pete Smith

            I’m sure they are looking at him. They might as well. They have nothing else on the roster at that position to evaluate worth a damn. My point is I do not think he is the guy and the Browns have made it clear just how much they value the position, so while if Hoyer becomes Sipe or Brady (both names I’ve seen thrown around with him, which is its own issue), so be it, but I think he will have to be extremely good without a question to sway them off of drafting a franchise QB.

          • Chris Volz

            On that we can agree.
            Tough to compare him to anyone at this point, though drawing any comparison to an all time great in Brady is just silly.
            I think the analysis problem lies in the middle. What if the Browns go 9-7 and somehow sneak into a wildcard spot? I tend to agree with you, that they will still try and move their chips in and go after Bridgewater or whichever QB they covet the most, but it certianly won’t be as easy of a decision for a franchise hungering for any type of success in the past 15 years. Should make for interesting theater anyway.
            That said, history and logic dictate something closer to 7-9. If anything Hoyer could garner some more moderate success and actually become trade bait for a mid-rounder.

          • Chris Volz

            also…at what point did you come to the conclsuion that Russell Wilson was a stud? Was it after his first 2 games last year, when he had passed for a TOTAL of 300 yards?

          • Pete Smith

            I cover/am a fan of the Browns, so I did not see the Seahawks from a position to make that determination/projection.

            However, Wilson was a rookie as opposed to a 5th year vet allowed to walk by the Patriots who initially picked him up as an UDFA and let go by the Cardinals, a team devoid of QB talent, only to be picked up by the Browns to be a long term backup.

            So other than that, they are the same and comparable situations I guess.

          • Chris Volz

            A fifth year vet playing in his third game ever. No need to be condescending, I understand that you clearly feel you are a superior anayst of talent and somehow in tune with what the Browns brass are thinking on a daily basis.

          • Chris Volz

            And clearly the Btrowns are a few pieces away (maybe 5 or 6 realisitically along with some improved depth), but this just further muddies the waters as to making a determination about Hoyer.

  • Chris Volz

    To come to a conclusion about Hoyer after 2 games seems a bit of a stretch to me. I think the point here is that the Browns are a couple of pieces away. You keep noting how the Bengals were missing 3 key pieces to the secondary, thus (I assume) making the assumption that if Manning/Bress, etc were the QB here they would have dropped 50+. I don’t know that is necessarily the case.
    Not sure what games you have been watching, but to say the Browns have a “good offensive line” is blatantly false. Cousins aside, thomas has looked pedestrian and Mitchell Schwartz is getting beat on literally every dropback. A big reason for Hoyer’s success (relatively speaking compared to Weeden) is that he is making decisions quicker and getting rid of the ball almost a full second faster.
    By no means am I saying Hoyer is the second coming but to already draw a conclsuion about what the Browns should do regarding a QB, seems a bit trigger happy (artticle fodder, I guess)