2002 NFL Draft 1st Rd. QB Comps: Should Johnny Manziel Sit This Year?

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Jun 2, 2014; Alameda, CA, USA; Oakland Raiders quarterback David Carr (4) throws a pass at organized team activities at the Raiders Practice Facility. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

 

2002 NFL Draft

David Carr

Started as Rookie? Year One First 3 Years Career
Yes Grade D D D

 

Carr was thrown in right away as a rookie and started all 16 games. He was a pinata behind a terrible offensive line and struggled to with turnovers. His rookie season he threw 15 INTs and had 8 fumbles to go along with his 9 TDs. His second and third seasons were not much better with 15 and 19 turnovers respectively. Interestingly his best two seasons were his last 2 in Houston except his fumbling problem got worse with 11 and 14 fumbles those years. Since then Carr has only played a total of 18 games in 5 seasons. The Texans moved on to Matt Schaub and now are once again in transition with Ryan Fitzpatrick as a placeholder until Tom Savage or another QB can take over. That Carr has stuck as a backup for this many years is a testament to him, especially after the beating he took with the Texans.

Joey Harrington

Started as Rookie? Year One First 3 Years Career
Yes Grade C C D

Similar to Carr is Harrington who was thrown in with the Lions before they had Megatron, or something resembling a clue of a franchise. Harrington played in 14 games as a rookie with stats that weren’t surprising. He had a 50% completion rate along with 12 TDs and 16 INTs that year. He followed that up with 2 full seasons where he played every game. He increased his completion percentages every year with the Lions but was not in the teams plan following his third season. He spent 1 year in Miami and 1 in Atlanta and has been out of the league since the end of the 2007 season. Harrington’s career was short but he could win a game or two for the teams he played for.

Patrick Ramsey

Started as Rookie? Year One First 3 Years Career
Yes Grade C D D

Similar in some ways to the first two is Ramsey, chosen at the end of the first round by the Vikings. Ramsey played in 9 games as a rookie, 11 in his second season (career high) and 9 again in his third season. His rookie year showed some promise, with limited expectations. He threw for just over 51% with more TDs then INTs, 9 to 8. His second season improved to 53% with 14 TDs and 9 INTs. Following his third season it was obvious that the Redskins were looking to move on. He stuck with them for 1 more season then spent parts of seasons with the Jets and Broncos. Ramsey has tried to catch on with others teams but has not played in an NFL game since 2008.

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  • davewr58

    Manzell needs to sit and learn this year. He also needs a year to mature. Right now football is not #1 in his life and may never be. He’s a narcissistic, sophomoric college kid who has no idea of what is expected from a professional athlete and supposed “face of the franchise”. He needs to understand that thousands of young kids are watching his every move and are influenced by it. He needs to learn the playbook, but more so, he needs to realize that college is over and it’s time to grow up.

    • Jared Mueller

      I actually think, and wrote for FoS a few weeks ago, that Manziel is an all in guy. He goes all in on everything he does. Reports are he works his butt off during the season, practices, film study etc. Obviously TMZ tells us he plays his butt off as well.

      • davewr58

        I agree, but as a number of pros are pointing out, you can’t lead this type of lifestyle and be “all in” on football … it just doesn’t work. Plus, as a number of pros also have pointed out, JM is the “Face of the Browns” and the negative influence he will have on kids, the Browns organization and the city of Cleveland is not good. Posting pictures of himself drunk and using the “F” word (as he did yesterday) is a horrible example. Right now he is acting like a freshman in college, not an $8.25MM professional. He needs to clean up his act or he will self destruct. I hope he grows up quickly, but I have my doubts.

      • Kopernicus

        “Reports”? “Works his butt off DURING the season”? What are the sources of this?

        Obviously anyone picking up a sports page can read the almost daily account of him painting the town, flaunting money and having relations with inflatable pool toys.

        I remember no such stories about Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or most of the ‘elite’ QBs in the league today.

        I do remember stories about recent Browns draft picks though….

  • Sam Gold

    I think this article demonstrates, at least in part, how much football is a team game and no one player can make a bad team good. Carr and Harrington were both better than their rookie or final grades suggest. They were thrown in behind horrible lines and/or terrible teams and long before they ever had a chance to see the pro game slow down as they improved over the first three years (a common occurrence among successful QBs) they were mauled. Whether or not they would have succeeded if they had been on better teams is endlessly debatable but it is a rare QB with a successful career who was good on a bad team. The Brady’s and Manning’s now elevate the play of those around them but they didn’t out of the gate. They needed a good enough team around them to allow them to grow into the players they have become.

    If Johnny shows up in camp and plays as well as Griffin did in his first camp I can see them choosing to start him but I think it is the rare QB (specifically QB) who steps in as a rookie and succeeds, especially walking into Pitspuke. I think the chance for long term success is much greater letting him witness the speed and complexity of the game from the sidelines and in the film room behind a guy who learned behind one of the best and who demonstrated last year, albeit on a very small sample size, that he processed the speed and complexity of the game very well.

    We may be a good team this year. I think and hope we are a better team than last year. But regardless of our optimism the record says we have been a 4-12/5-11 team for six years and Vegas still sees us as a bad team and they are right more than they are wrong. Until we show differently let’s assume we are a bad team taking strides to get better. Johnny is projected to be the answer for a long time. Let’s not repeat what those previous teams did and throw our future franchise guy on the field to lead a bad team into Pittsburgh. Let’s see how we come together for a few games first. If someone is going to get beat up out of the gate I’d rather it be Hoyer. If Hoyer beats the odds and lights it up what a great problem for us to have this season, two good QB’s.

  • Sam Gold

    Also, thanks for putting together these quality articles during the barren wasteland that is the off season.

    • Jared Mueller

      Thanks Sam. I appreciate it. It is an interesting time during the off-season. Not a lot of news and viewership also goes down during the summer. I want to put out quality stuff without just rehashing junk. This series has been on my mind for years but hadn’t had the time in season to do it. Manziel and the summer became the perfect time. Thanks for your time.